Well, Where Do These Go?

[Lewij9]

Alright - Brief history of me/my car. I bought this thing (85 GSL) 6ish months ago with a bad carb/other issues. I purchased a new carb from Sterling but immediately fell ill and was placed in the hospital for roughly 3 months. Since then I have been working on getting healthy enough to begin working back on my car....only issue is that I was part way through rats nest removal and already had the old carb off when I got sick (Kinda forgot where I was).

I think I'm getting close but would like some help from the professionals that read this board. 

I have 4 cables that came off my old carb setup (Was bone stock) and I'm not sure where they go on the new one. One might be for A/C but I will be removing that so it may not be necessary.

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The last setup is what I placed on the new carb after the rats nest removal. This goes to the vacuum advance, is this correct?
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I did search for these answers but unfortunately nothing came up that was useful.

All of your help is much appreciated.

Thank You,

Jonathan Lewis

[Lewij9]

Update:
I have found the following link that I should be able to work with, although they are only mentioning 3 cables (Throttle, hot-start and choke) and I have 4... This gives me a good starting place.

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=708084&highlight=Throttle+cable+locations

Still unsure about the running of the vacuum lines. I know there is a lot of talk about "Lung Mustard" but then again there is a lot of talk about people not having problems with it if I don't vent the crankcase. What do you guys think? Right now I just have maybe a foot of vacuum tube running from my oil fill neck towards the ground, seemed like an easier fix to me but it may not work.

Thank You,

Jonathan Lewis

[DivinDriver]

#4 is probably for cruise control, if you have it.

[Lewij9]

Guys, I'm about to give up...

I have been working on this car for so long...I thought I had it put together and I went to start it...I believe the engine is now seized...FML. I tried to turn the pully by hand and by using a ratchet/extension on the bolt that holds the pully.....that ended up breaking my ratchet.

I'm debating on whether I should try the "ATF Treatment" or not...this is such crap.

I don't understand how it could have happened so quickly, the car was running (very rough, but running none the less) less than 6 months ago and then I got sick and missed a while.

Any advice would be tremendously helpful. Or if anyone is in the Cincinnati/Middletown area I would appreciate some help.

Thank You,

Jonathan Lewis

[Kentetsu]

Try Seafoam, not ATF.  ATF will soften the seals and then you will definitely need to rebuild.

Is there any possibility that you dropped something down into the motor?  Will the motor turn in either direction?  Even a little?  If not, then it could be carbon locked, which would call for a good Seafoam soaking.  If it will move a little bit in one direction or the other, then I would be concerned that something fell in and jammed it.

Another thing to consider would be if the starter were jammed against the flywheel, or if it was in gear when you tried to turn the motor over by hand.

Good luck, don't give up yet.

[Lewij9]

I appreciate the timely response.

I can't see how I would have dropped anything down inside of the motor, I am quite cautious when dealing with the carb, etc. but I guess anything is possible.

Every once in a great while, the starter will click rather than just sit there, I guess there could be the potential of the starter going out instead! We did make sure that it was in neutral - I wish it was that though!! 

I could not get the motor to turn in either direction, not by hand or with a ratchet, I will look around for some Seafoam.

Thank you so much!

Thank You,

Jonathan Lewis

[Lewij9]

Not the starter, It's laying on my garage floor right now and the engine still won't budge...going to advanced to look for Seafoam. Wish me luck!!

Would I literally just dump the SeaFoam directly down the carb or should I try to funnel it into one of the spark plug holes? Maybe both?

[DivinDriver]

In a case like this, I'd say both. You want to try to lube up all the seals.

One last thing to check, though it's a long shot; make sure you don't have a siezed alternator or other front-belt-driven item. It's a long shot as they normally aren't tight enough to bust a ratchet, but I recall having my old 350 Camaro lock up on me once in the middle of the hollywood freeway... wouldn't even turn... and it turned out to be a frozen alternator. Easy enough to check by slacking your belts.

If you want to risk more leverage, put the car in gear and push it... but that's extreme, as if it is something that fell down the throat, you could rip up a housing that way.

Good luck.

[Lewij9]

Alright, I have the Seafoam down in there, going to let it sit overnight and hopefully something will happen by the time I get home from work tomorrow.

I will also try lowering some of the tension on the belts to see if that helps. It just blows my mind that this thing was turning freely 3-4 months ago and now it's stuck this tight.

I have a feeling that my progression on this car now has me landed in the wrong section of this forum! I think this should be in the Engine section lol. I don't know how to move it but if anyone could tell me how, I would love to get it where it belongs.

Thanks guys

[Lewij9]

Does it make sense to you guys that it could seize up this quickly (Matter of a couple of months)? I mean, I have had the exhaust off so maybe moisture or something could have gotten down in there and done something, perhaps I should take the exhaust back off and spray  seafoam down in there? I don't see that hurting anything what do you guys think?

I'm at work just thinking about it and it's bothering me so I'm just throwing out ideas lol.

WHOA, my brain just came up with some idea,what a novel concept! Earlier in the day (Yesterday) I needed to find out which gas line was the in and which was the out. Thinking back on it, at that time I'm fairly certain that the motor turned ever so slightly when I would touch the key on to check fuel. After figuring that out, I finished running the gas lines to their respective places and installed my exhaust. It was after those two things that the motor would no longer turn over....could something be messed up with the exhaust that would cause this? Perhaps it's the wrong exhaust and it's catching something? I might remove the header when I get home and try to turn it over, so many different ideas!

[lascelles]

Any advice would be tremendously helpful. Or if anyone is in the Cincinnati/Middletown area I would appreciate some help.

I'm in Cincinnati (NE side) and willing to help if you can wait a week or so.

[Kentetsu]

You could be dealing with some rust in there.  Just give the Seafoam time to do its thing, and try giving it a nudge once a day or so to check the progress.  If you do pull the header off, dump some more seafoam down those openings too.

Keep us posted.

[Lewij9]

Yet another update: I have removed the belts, as well as the exhaust. Still no luck on getting the motor to turn over.

Now, when removing my exhaust I discovered that there were little balls of something down in there, possibly the carbon being destroyed by the Seafoam? I really hope so but would like you guys to take a look.

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Those yellow papers in the background are tickets from my dog running away today, the Warden gave me 2 tickets and I guess possibly a court date because I was at work and my plumber that came over to check my sink let my dog out,  

Hopefully you guys can shed some good news on what is coming out of my exhaust port.

Btw, lascelles, I really appreciate the offer and might have you come and take a look if I don't have anything figured out by then.

Thanks,

Jonathan

[orion84gsl]

My my, what manly hands you have.

That definitely looks like carbon to me. Keep soaking it and see what happens. It's entirely possible that some moisture got in there and some surface rust may have formed, but it's more likely that it's just carbon buildup.

[Lewij9]

LOL thanks for the compliment...I guess 

I'm just going to keep pouring shit in, probably once or twice a day and we'll see what happens. If not, I guess I get to learn all about the inside of a Wankel!

I was really hoping for that comment, I wasn't looking forward to "Welp, that's from the inside of your housing being eaten away by something or another...Good luck with the rebuild!" You just made my day one hell of a lot better. Even if you're wrong, at least I got a compliment on my hands!!!

Thanks,

Jonathan